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Very nice. I like! How much?
I don't have those figured yet, but I expect it to be between $35,000 and $52,000. A lot of this will depend on the economy by then. It could be less on the high end until they plan on releasing a M version of it in later years.
Richard in NC
12-14-2008, 06:15 AM
I like it too, apart from that :puke: console shifter we already know from other models... :shake:
But I would never order a slushbox with such a small roadster anyway.
Are the specifications already out? Just wondering how heavy it is, so what an adequate engine would be.
Hey, that's my shifter you'ew talking about. :mrgreen: Yes it looks odd and takes a bit to get used to but it's quite functional for an auto. Even in a sporting situation such as the TOD or on-track. I know at least I'm quicker and better shifting with it than with a manual tranny.
The M/T review says a "7 speed dual clutch auto". I think they are confused. The shifter is for the 6 speed sport-auto (which has a new-fangled torque converter; maybe its 7 speeds in the new 7). The 7 speed dual clutch manual has a different shifter (like seen on the M3). I bet that won't appear until the M version.
BTW, I read somewhere there will be no coupe version this time. With a retractable hardtop, they may not have to.
Richard in NC
12-14-2008, 06:22 AM
From Motor Trend
Here it is - after all the spy shots and leaks, the 2009 BMW Z4 has been unveiled prior to its 2009 North American International Auto Show debut next month in Detroit.
Has anyone ever made it to the NAIAS in Detroit? I've often wanted to got but never have due to the cold weather in Detroit in Jan., and it proximity to the holidays.
The M/T review says a "7 speed dual clutch auto". I think they are confused. The shifter is for the 6 speed sport-auto (which has a new-fangled torque converter; maybe its 7 speeds in the new 7). The 7 speed dual clutch manual has a different shifter (like seen on the M3). I bet that won't appear until the M version.
autoweek also reports that the DCT will be available for the 3.0TT in May, the 3.0 regular model gets the 6 speed, which im assuming are the pix we've seen thus far
....again :bmw: disappoints their enthusiasts by not offering the DCT in the 6er, now a full year after its introduction in the e93 M3 :shake: and yet Europe gets it as an option in the 3er and now the Zers get it
it surely appears the enthusiasts have been pulled from any decision making at :bmw: :tdown:
Richard in NC
12-16-2008, 07:54 AM
autoweek also reports that the DCT will be available for the 3.0TT in May, the 3.0 regular model gets the 6 speed, which im assuming are the pix we've seen thus far
....again :bmw: disappoints their enthusiasts by not offering the DCT in the 6er, now a full year after its introduction in the e93 M3 :shake: and yet Europe gets it as an option in the 3er and now the Zers get it
it surely appears the enthusiasts have been pulled from any decision making at :bmw: :tdown:
It might simply be too costly to re-engineer and re-certify the powertrain in the 6er so close to the end of its product cycle. The 3er just had its LCI so it could get new stuff.
:scared: it just doesnt make sense to me from afar...we're still several years away from the f1x 6ers, so why not make the current 6er as attractive as possible??
again, just very, VERY, poor strategy decisions over the past several years from :bmw:
:scared: it just doesnt make sense to me from afar...we're still several years away from the f1x 6ers, so why not make the current 6er as attractive as possible??
again, just very, VERY, poor strategy decisions over the past several years from :bmw:
I think it has a lot to do with how many 6ers they have on lease right now and how much they have to resell them for when they get turned in. Making a huge difference at the wrong time will decrease the resell value of the cars when they come in. But clight changes over time will help retain the value since the cars don't look aged.
Plus you have to look at their cost of tooling, training and recycling of parts. Will changing the design now vs in a few years make them more money than riding out the current design and then introducing the new design before the masses walk away.
I'm tired, I'm rambling.
boxboss
12-16-2008, 02:12 PM
I think it has a lot to do with how many 6ers they have on lease right now and how much they have to resell them for when they get turned in. Making a huge difference at the wrong time will decrease the resell value of the cars when they come in. But clight changes over time will help retain the value since the cars don't look aged.
Plus you have to look at their cost of tooling, training and recycling of parts. Will changing the design now vs in a few years make them more money than riding out the current design and then introducing the new design before the masses walk away.
I'm tired, I'm rambling.
Resale is in the tank regardless. In my opinion, the way to increase sales of new is to offer new tech items. One way, you have low resale and low new sale...the other you have low resale and better new sale.
For example, if the 09 6er had DCT and a TTV8, it would have been very hard for me to choose the M6.
mjames
12-16-2008, 03:38 PM
For example, if the 09 6er had DCT and a TTV8, it would have been very hard for me to choose the M6.
Yeah, the twin-turbo and DCT is really appealing, but I think the M is a different animal and you won't regret it. Ms are built in different factories and just have more character to them. :race:
InsidiousSpeed
12-16-2008, 03:44 PM
For example, if the 09 6er had DCT and a TTV8, it would have been very hard for me to choose the M6.
Which is why the MY09 650i does not have the new TT V8. The performance of a 650i with the new TT V8 would be a touch close to the M6 for marketing purposes and would make the M6 look silly. That engine produces 600Nm of torque, more than the M6's 520Nm.
boxboss
12-16-2008, 05:54 PM
Which is why the MY09 650i does not have the new TT V8. The performance of a 650i with the new TT V8 would be a touch close to the M6 for marketing purposes and would make the M6 look silly. That engine produces 600Nm of torque, more than the M6's 520Nm.
:nono1: If the normal 6er had a TTV8, then the M6 would be above that, i.e. a tuned TTV8 which would be head and shoulders above a 650 version. Chicken and egg thing here, but I agree that if the M version is not significantly better, then it will not be released. In fact, that may be the very reason why a TT 650 hasn't been released...the M version isn't ready.
InsidiousSpeed
12-17-2008, 01:49 AM
:nono1: If the normal 6er had a TTV8, then the M6 would be above that, i.e. a tuned TTV8 which would be head and shoulders above a 650 version. Chicken and egg thing here, but I agree that if the M version is not significantly better, then it will not be released. In fact, that may be the very reason why a TT 650 hasn't been released...the M version isn't ready.
:dunno: :greenlaff: Isn't that what I wrote above? I was saying that an E63 6 series with the new TTV8 engine (as per the F01 750Li and the X6) would perform too close to our M6, which might be why there is no E63 with that new TTV8.
I was not talking about the next TT M V8 engine. In which case, yes I agree that an M TT V8 would be way way above the normal series TT V8 engine.
Too many TT engines going on now. :greenlaff:
BHR4CE1
12-17-2008, 01:54 PM
http://www.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009-bmw-z4-wallpapers-11.jpg
Wow! I like it!
Like I said before...I have a new reason to live.
InsidiousSpeed
12-17-2008, 11:12 PM
Wow! I like it!
Like I said before...I have a new reason to live.
But you already do: to ensure this site does not crash. :hiding:
Wait till you see the fixed roof version: I bet the roof line will extend elegantly to the highest point at the tip of tail lights. See the blue side view picture and imagine it.